Genesis and The Gospel of Thomas

I find your clarification impressively unclear.

This is quite true Brooke, but in your hastiness you have missed the subtelty in the message.
I should have clarified the two creation accounts in Genesis (1.26-28).; followed by Genesis.2.4-10ff.
Notice also, that God is 'plural' in Genesis.1.26 (the true YHWHY).
Notice also Genesi2.3, when 'God' rests (putting Adam in control).
Then the 'generations' start in Genesis2.4 and Adam is RECREATED in Genesis.2.7 in the 'YHWH singularity - because the 'Goddess is in exile in the 9th heaven above the 5th hell as indicated).
Also note the highly significant passage in Genesis.2.5:
"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

Can you see here the solution to the chicken-egg or DNA-RNA paradox - in the Rooster's Egg preceding the Hen's?

So what happened to the Adam in Genesis.1.27?

This Man (presumed to be Adam) is not the same Adam and they are simply the archetypes for Man and Woman BEFORE there was any physical creation.
This is also the Pigeradamus in the gnostic literature, the Adam Kadmon of Kabbalah, the Purusha in the Vedas and the Vitruvian Man of western alchemy (Leonardo da Vinci).

This is the 'Lovechild' of 'The Invisible One' as the Forethought and of Barbelo as the Afterthought.

This is the Logos known as 'Christos' or the Word in John.1.1.

Substitute Energy for God and Definition for the Word and you shall discover the omni-scientific meaning, which is archetypical, in the Genesis account.

Indeed, you have found a logistical error, but one which has now allowed me to further clarify the original post.

Gracias, gentle watery Brook winding its graceful passage through the wilderness of the lonesome mother, whose ambassadora art thou aand shall one day meet on eagle's wings.

John

--- In Panentheism@yahoogroups.com, Brooke Childs <childs_brooke@...>
wrote:
>
> Actually, "LORD God" (Heb. YHWH Elohim) begins to be used of God at
2:4, not 3:8. "LORD" is more often than not, in most English
translations, YHWH; "God," is usually "Elohim." "Elohim" and "YHWH
Elohim" (i.e. "God" and "LORD God") are used interchangeably throughout
the passage leading from 2:4 to 3:8. Such would be revealed by
approximately 6 seconds with any standard English translation. Really,
if you can't get such basic details right, how can you expect to unearth
truths hidden since the foundation of the world?

Re: ... Genesis

A 'proof' of sorts is found in Genesis.3.8-9:

"And they heared the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the
cool of the day; and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence
of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?"

1. The creation account up to Genesis.3.8 always labels God as 'God' and
never as 'Lord God'.

So something 'changed' the relationship between 'the 'Old God' and the
'New God' nafter the 'enlightenment' and the 'loss of nirvanic
innocence' of Adam and Eve.

2. The 'Lord God' does not even know where Adam is; "betraying" the
'Lord God' or Jehovah (YHWH) as an usurper (say the Yaldabaoth in the
Nag Hammadi text: "The Secret Book of John"-SBOJ).

3. The tetragrammaton is YHWH, whilst the pentagrammaton is YHWHY; the
former is the immanent Lord God, as say in the 'Burning Bush' of Moses (Exodus.3.14);
whilst the latter is the 'archetypical' 'God' from the undifferentiated
'Ein Sof'.

4. With Adam and Eve finding 'enlightenment' from 'ignorance=sinfulness'
about themselves; through the action of the
'Lovechild'=Logos=Christ-Serpent from the archetypical realm of 'heaven'
(The 'Perfect One' or the 'Invisible One' with Barbelo together being YHWHY, again SBOJ and
other Nag Hammadi texts); Eve, as the 'Mother of all Living' and Adam
became archetyped as immanent in the physical universe and to 'labour
and toil' until 'paradise' could become regained in the 'archetypical
heaven' also becoming 'physicalised' in immanation (Revelation).

5. It is the 'Cool of the Day', when the archetyped humanity is sent
onto their mission to 'rescue' Barbelo=Physical Universal Mother
Creation from 'her exile' in the '9th heaven'; because the 'Warmth or
Heat of the Day' has given way to a necessary 'Coming of the Night after
the Evening'.

6. The 9th heaven is one station below the 'highest' and 10th heaven and one station above the 8th and the 'highest' 5th hell, over which Jehovah aka Yadabaoth 'rules' in the 8th as the archetype which is 'within' the physical creation as a 'Fake God' and as a 'False Image' of the true God YHWHY, the latter being androgynous, but desiring to become sexual.

a)God=True|Dog=False ...with mirror property Dog=True|God=False
...Heaven=Hell

b)God=True|Adam=False-|-Eve=True|Dog=False=YHWH.....Heaven|HellHeaven=Paradise|Hell

c)God=True|Adam=False|Dog=True|Eve=False=Whoreof
Babylon=FakeImageofWomanhood

This allows the true femininity to become incarnate from the 'fake
femininity' as Adam's rib and as Man's Best Friend - namely his Dog.

d)God=True|Adam=False|God=True|Dog=False|Eve*=True|Eve=False

d) Jehovah=Yaldabaoth, the 'fake God' knows, that Adam has become God,
allowed to name the creation (Genesis.2.19-20) and so assumes his new
title 'Lord God' to differentiate himself from Adam and to assert his
'superiority' (but....SBOJ and Gospel of Thomas GOT).

d) allows the archetypical origin of God (the subplenum or substrate
Tohu v' Bohu) to become realised within the creation, so ending the
exile of both Barbelo=Eve=EveryWoman and of 'The One'=Adam=EveryMan.

e)God=True|AdamDog=False|Eve*God=True|Eve=False transforms in a mirror
between Man and Woman to

f)God=True|AdamGod=FalseTrue|DogEve*=FalseTrue|Eve=False

g) God=True|...AdamDog=FalseFalse|GodEve*=TrueTrue|Eve=False

h) God=True|...Eve*Adam=FalseTrue|AdamEve*=FalseTrue|...Eve=False

i) God=True|...AdamEve*=TrueFalse|Mirror|Eve*Adam=TrueFalse|...Eve=False

i) Mirror=ManWoman=WomanMan=Man(Feminine within as shadow) and vice versa

GOT#114

"Simon Peter said to them,"Let Mary leave us, for woman are not worthy
of Life". Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her
male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males.
For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of
heaven."

All of 'old mankind' is maleminded and female-bodied (because Eve came
out of Adam).

GOT#70

"Jesus said, "That which you have will save you if you bring it forth
from yourselves. That which you do not have within you will kill you if
you do not have it within you.

GOT#83-84

Jesus said,"The images are manifest to man, but the light in them
remains concealed in the light of the Father. He will become manifest,
but his image will remain concealed by his light.

Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see
your images which came into being before you, and which neither die nor
become manifest, how much will you be able to bear?"

John

It makes very good sense to me. But now I'll have to go read Genesis and look
for evidence for this perspective everywhere that a name for God is used. I'll
get back to you!

Linda

--- In Panentheism@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher" <basebudd@...> wrote:

Brook wrote:

My own suspicion, although I haven't the linguistic skill to prove
this, is the names "El" and "YHWH" are used interchangeably for poetic
rather than historical or theological reasons.

reply:

"For a sun and a shield are Hashem [the tetragrammaton] Elohim. . ."
Psalms 84:12

Try reading it in a more panentheistic way, like this: YKVK is G-d as
transcendent, whereas Elohim is G-d as immanent in the world.

One of the reasons that they don't pronounce the tetragrammaton is
that it has no boundaries, it is the infinite aspect of G-d which no
name or brain can contain. It's the Or Ein sof, or 'Light without end,'
the power of revelation, likened to the light of the sun in the verse
above, because it reveals while remaining aloof and seemingly far away.
Elohim is that aspect of G-d which limits and conceals. Elohim is
numerically related to Tevah, or nature. It's the shield which shades us
and protects us from the light of the sun in the verse above. A shield
we can feel and grasp with our own hands, and one which we can even
place between us and the sun.

I have heard it compared to rain. We need rain for the crops to grow.
But if the whole rainstorm fell in one giant drop, it would wipe out
everything! So instead it comes in a billion tiny drops, otherwise the
ground could not absorb it. Likewise the light of the infinite comes to
us through the multiplicity of the limited natural world.

The interposition of the boundaries imposed by nature allow us a
limited revelation of the underlying substrate of the endless light.
Nature is like sunglasses for the soul. It awes us without overpowering
us. The awe we feel from experiencing the natural world is the
revelatory experience of that underlying infinite light hidden within
both us and nature coming into contact with each other. When the two
lights touch, the internal light becomes unified with the external light
(since they have the same undifferentiated source in YKVK) and we sense
the original overarching Oneness of this transcendent aspect of G-d.
IOW, we can have a 'so-called religious experience' even if we are
hiding behind the shield of nature specifically to avoid one!

Logically, it is only by taking an infinite and imposing boundaries
and limitations upon it that a finite world can even come to exist.
Every finite thing is only finite relative to some presupposed infinite.
And it would take an infinite power of contraction and limitation to
successfully limit such an infinite power of revelation. And THAT is why
the creation story was accomplished through the name Elohim. Because
every created thing was being separated out and determined by the
imposition of boundaries on an undifferentiated substrate (Tohu v'
Bohu). But this substrate that was being bounded and limited in the
creation story is exactly this underlying unlimited light of YKVK, which
then becomes the hidden essence within all that exists.

Does this make any sense?
christopher

Isaiah 29:11-13 (King James Version)

¹¹And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

¹²And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

¹³Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: