Bud Dickerson wrote in theoretical physics wrt Paul Swanson:

As to religion, unlike science nothing must be proved.Things accepted but not proved are fine with me as it relates to the person who does the accepting, but not fine with me when I am bullied to believe the same conclusion.  I believe the Big Bang occured and may have occured many times.  I cannot definitively prove it, but the evidence and body of work is good enough form me to beieve it happened.  I also have a problem with dark matter and currently working my way through it.  It seems to me people shoul be continuously doing the same concerning religion.  As you age and mature in thought you should contiually re-examine those things you held to be true when you were more nieve.  As for God existing as three persons and they be of a paticular sex, all that confuses me.  It seems the  idea makes Jesus possible as a devine person in a mortal body.  However a spirit that has no need to reproduce and therefore no body to do so, most likely, if it exists, has no sex.  Speaking of this being in absolutes creates its own problems.  How can a single being be all meciful and all just at the same time.  A merciful would require all sins be forgiven, thus rendering judgement unnecessay.  It seems to be true that Matriarchal societies have female Dieties, while Patriachal societies tend toward male Dieties.  I am particularly amused by the wrath with which the Big Bang is received by a conservative Evangelical person.  The evangelical believes God made the universe from nothing from within himself.  The first big bang may have occured when the universe was without mass and contained only energy.  The matter we see to day can be considered the storge form of energy.  Big Bang defines the beginning as energy obeying the laws of physics while the evangelical person believes the creation event (beginning of matter) was a devine decision.  One God, three persons aides in the conversion of none believers practicing a belief containing multiple Gods, such as the Romans, Greeks, American Indian, etc.  I think I have made the point.  I would like to prove the existence of God before my own death.  It seems the only way to communicate results successfully to others.  Bud
 
Hi Bud!
 
Here are my comments:
 
1. There was just the one (thermodynamic-entropic) Big Bang, which as you also 'believe' was massless at first but via the equivalence principle became inertial in certain transformation of energy concepts (and manifesting the metrics of the relativistic cosmologies in the process).
 
2. The sexual duality stems from the 'femaleness' of all material parameters. So the entire physical universe as the 'body of God' can be considered female. This is like the architect designing a plan for a house. Before the 'house of brick and mortar' is build, an 'abstract aka mathematical' template is created, thought of, invented, imagined or what have you.
 
The duality then is like the wave-particle duality of quantum mechanics.
 
The wave is unified from top-down and the particle is unified from bottom-up as the constituents of that selfsame wave in spacetimes defined in the physical parameters (metrics).
 
So the universe can only be understood as a wave aka holistically from the point of view of an 'outside observer'.
 
Because the 'outside observer' or 'God separate from its creation' is logically inconsistent, a duality of the outside observer with the inside observer must come into being from first principles.
 
So 'God' (say defined as a male principle of creator chicken/sperm/DNA or Y-chromosome or Yang or odd number etc...) BIFURCATES ITSELF LOGICALLY (as the Logos aka The Word) into its Mirror-Image say semirotically as GOD-DOG.
 
The 'anti-male' principle aka the female principle so becomes ILLUSIONARY relative to the former and a 'Shadow God' is created as the 'Creation female principle of the Egg/ovum/RNA'.
 
But this then allows 'Birth-Death-Rebirth' cyclicities to manifest, say in the 'birth of gravity' (as the Grave) to couple the dualities.
 
So then 'God' as separate, becomes imaginary and the premise of the atheist and the materialist. God as real 'spiritual identity' conversely becomes the 'belief' of the theist and the like.
 
But the original 'GoddoG' is undifferentiated, aka bisexual in the unbifurcated nature of say Leibnitz' monad or Spinoza's 'universal essence'.
 
Encompassingly, BECAUSE a physical universe exists, BOTH as REAL relative to one observer and ILLUSIONARILY (Maya of the Buddhist say) to an 'anti-observer'; there should also be a substructure of the 'GoddoG' bifurcation aka the chicken-egg conundrum in a biological and chemical and physical polarity splitting into opposite couplings.
 
Gnostically speaking then, this bifurcation can (but is not required to be) be expressed in a doubled trinity of generations.
 
3. The proof for the existence of 'God' is not necessary.
Drawing the necessary conclusions in selfconsistent logic demands the following.
 
a) space and time (and mass etc.) are physical constructs, which allow the duality to manifest and evolve.
b) subsequently, the events of birth and death are simple markers within a spacetimeless continuum, one particular traversion of a circle signifying a conception-death cyclicity.
c) The Big Bang was a boundary condition or initial birth, which BEGAN the manifesto of the aforedescribed duality on the grandest scale.
d) subsequently, every birth of something embodying this duality, say a baby, MUST REBANG the entire universe of holographic unison.
e) As YOU know, that once you were a baby born, YOU were present (but cant remember) when the Big bang occurred.
f) subsequently YOU are the 'GoddoG' manifesting itself in your conception-birth-death from the duality described from within and without the spacetimelessnersss before the Big Bang.
g) As YOU exist - God must exist as YOUR maleness and doG must exist as your femaleness.
h) YOUR maleness will be a quadrupolar collective coupled to your femaleness.
i) A biological male, defined in the presence of a Y-chromosome has MindBody(-+) and BodyMind(-+) as the aforsaid waveparticle duality.
j) A biological female, defined in the absence of the Y-chromosome has MindBody(+-) and BodyMind(+-) in corollary.
k) Every Male  so defined (there can exist genetic mutations physically manifesting shemales or hefemales of course) actually EXISTS in two places at once.
l) The physical Male in embodiment finds himherself in a spacetime continuum, called a time and place in history say. The shadow-spiritual Male in disembodiment resides in the 'Mirror' of the physical universe, namely a COLOCAL Shadow-Universe AS God.
m) The corollary of course applies for the female polarity as Dog -Every Man's 'Best Friend'.
 
 
Tony B.
 



 

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To: Panentheism@yahoogroups.com
From: prs7795@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:30:29 -0500
Subject: Re: [Panentheism] Educated beliefs or I believe button

Tony B,

 

Thanks for your very detailed reply.

 

I confess I have several books on various Gnostic groups and I never saw anything like your explanation. I will have to chew on what you wrote tomorrow and see what is what.

 

Thanks again for taking the time to clear up this view point.

 

Paul Swanson